I think religion has always tried to turn hatred toward gay people. Religion promotes the hatred and spite against gays. . . . But there are so many people I know who are gay and love their religion. From my point of view, I would ban religion completely. Organized religion doesn’t seem to work. It turns people into really hateful lemmings and it’s not really compassionate.—Elton John
Yes, yes, yes, I’m going to harp on Ken Ham and AIG yet again. Actually I am going to harp on those who support Ham. This time I want to point out that if you buy in to what Ham and his colleagues at AIG are selling then you cannot be pro-gay rights. It’s impossible to support homosexuality and simultaneously support an organization that overtly takes a stand against same-sex relationships (I believe this is also true of those who tithe to anti-gay organizations/churches). You absolutely cannot believe in a literal Bible and still fight for equal rights. It’s an oxymoron but it’s what so many christians want to do. They can see that homosexuals are discriminated against. They can feel empathy for them. But ultimately their allegiance is to god and to the Bible. So they can blame their voting history, their prejudices, their homophobic stances on a god breathed mandate. I’ve tried to figure out how any christian can rectify their biblical beliefs with gay rights. I don’t think it can be done. Not without claiming to know what god intended to be literal, metaphorical, ignored, obeyed, or what was simply just a nice story. And if you knowthat about god’s intentions than you are pretty damn special.
Let’s start by taking the Bible at face value (like AIG promotes as the only way to practice christianity). God is not against homosexuality? Jesus loves gays?
- Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9–10)
- You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. (Leviticus 18:22)
- If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. (Leviticus 20:13)
- For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. (Romans 1:26–27)
- Matthew 19:4–6: “And He answered and said to them, ‘Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning “made them male and female,” and said, “For this cause a man shall leave father and mother and shall cling to his wife, and the two of them shall be one flesh?” So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.’ ”
- Genesis 19:1-29: The story we all know about Sodom and Gomorrah.
The gay life is a sad life. Accounts from former homosexuals testify that ‘gays’ need to be helped—not to see their behaviour as ‘normal’, but to lay it aside. One study has shown that 40 per cent of homosexuals believed they were psychologically disturbed. Other studies show that attempted suicide and thoughts of suicide are much higher among gays than heterosexuals. Is it possible that homosexuals felt suicidal and psychologically disturbed because they were constantly ridiculed by peers, told their sexual thoughts were an abomination to god, or they were ostracized by their christian communities? And on a side note, AIG, I abhor the way you never have links to the studies and articles you are quoting. “One study has shown that 40%”…which study was that?
Many governments have already decriminalized homosexuality. Others are considering it. Yet former homosexuals who have been helped to abandon their gay lifestyle by Christian ministries to homosexuals, such as Exodus International, point out something too important to ignore: homosexuality is learned behaviour that causes enormous problems for gays and for others. So what I’m hearing is that AIG believes homosexuality should be a criminal act? So AIG would support Uganda’s Kill the Gays Bill? What problem are gays causing others? Oh wait I’m about to answer my own question with these next quotes…
Homosexuals commit between 33% and 50% of all recorded instances of child molestation. Is that because you are including all the priests that have molested children in their parishes and schools? Maybe catholicism is the problem not homosexuality.
Homosexual teachers have been involved in 80% of recorded teacher-pupil sexual interactions.Again is this including the faults of the church?
Homosexuals have accounted for about half of all molestations among those who work with children. Well that would mean heterosexuals are equally guilty which means….? IMO this means nothing!
You are 15 times more likely to be murdered by a homosexual than a heterosexual during a sexual murder spree. Ummmm, what? WTF is a homosexual sexual murder spree?!?
Most victims of sex murders die at the hands of a homosexual. Yeah you just said that. You’ve only changed the wording!
Again AIG failed to provide a link to the study that came up with these statistics. But I am giving you a link to the organization that did the 46 page study in 1990. No surprise that the organization is not an unbiased source of information… Australian Federation for the Family
Second, 1 Corinthians 6:11 reveals the incredible mercy of our God. After emphatically stating that homosexuals, drunkards, adulterers, idolaters, etc. will not inherit the kingdom of God, Paul, inspired by the Holy Spirit, wrote, “And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.” The church in Corinth consisted of former homosexuals, drunkards, adulterers, idolaters, etc., but they had been washed, sanctified, and justified. This shows us that God is willing to forgive sinners, including homosexuals, but they must turn from (repent of) their rebellious ways and place their faith in Christ alone. I suppose this is why the Pray the Gay Out clinics exist. So god can forgive those rebellious, sinning homosexuals.
Here is a response to a young man who says he is a christian homosexual:
Whether or not you believe you are sinning is not up to you, it is up to God. God does make it clear that homosexuality is a sin (Romans 1:21–27; 1 Corinthians 6:9; 1 Timothy 1:8–10), just as drunkenness, greed, sexual immorality, idolatry, and stealing are sins.
However, if you do not believe it is a sin, and others do, then who is right? Who decides what a sin is? If not an all-knowing God, then who? Fallible man? By discounting what God considers sin, then anything is permissible and there are no absolutes. If homosexuality is not a sin, then God cannot be a reliable source for what sin is, and so murder, rape, stealing, idolatry, etc., may not be believed to be sins by others. But God clearly tells us what is right and wrong. As fallible and finite beings, who are we to tell God what is right and wrong? AIG, we agree on something! As I said earlier I don’t believe a christian gets to cherry pick from the Bible.
A couple of points must be made. First, the Bible explicitly calls homosexuality an abomination (Leviticus 20:13) and places it in a list of other vices (1 Corinthians 6:9–10). It is wrong for any Christian to condone homosexuality, since God’s Word clearly speaks against it. However, it is also wrong to single out homosexuality and shrug off the other sins listed in these passages. Can it be any clearer where Ken Ham stands and believes all Christians should stand? Let me make it crystal clear, “It is wrong for any Christian to condone homosexuality, since God’s Word clearly speaks against it.”
Even in a secular context, the only answer a Christian should offer is this:
The Bible is the Word of our Creator, and Genesis is literal history. Its science and history can be trusted. Therefore, we have an absolute authority that determines marriage.
God made the first man and woman—the first marriage. Thus, marriage can only be a man and a woman because we are accountable to the One who made marriage in the first place.
And don’t forget—according to Scripture, one of the primary reasons for marriage is to produce godly offspring.11 Adam and Eve were told to be fruitful and multiply, but there’s no way a gay marriage can fulfill this command! Oh, God, I thought you also called us to care for orphans. What’s more beautiful than a loving, couple adopting an orphan? God you really want us to procreate more than you want us to adopt? You really want us to populate this earth even more…this earth that is finite and failing to even provide food and water for those children that already exist? That’s what god wants? Same-sex couples are often doing more of God’s commandment to care for orphans than their heterosexual, baby making friends. Oh but i forgot those gays are an abomination.
The battle against gay marriage will ultimately be lost (like the battle against abortion) unless the church and the culture return to the absolute authority beginning in Genesis. Then and only then will there be a true foundation for the correct doctrine of marriage—one man for one woman for life. Christians, you can start by voting in Michele Bachmann. You owe it to God and for the safety of citizens. We certainly don’t want gays to be as equally accepted as those baby killers.
I will end with this quote from Tim Chaffey at AIG:
If we claim to be followers of Christ, then we must be willing to take Him at His Word rather than trying to use man’s ever-changing opinions as our authority. The Bible’s instruction on this issue may be extremely unpopular in our society, but we must desire to please God rather than men. Too often, professing Christians are like the Pharisees Christ rebuked in that they are more interested in the praise of men than the praise of God (John 5:43).
May God give us the courage and strength to stand for the truth and to speak the truth in love no matter what consequences may come. Amen, Brother, Amen! Best of luck reconciling your beliefs with your desire to be a gay rights advocate. I sincerely believe you can’t have both!
I know that I will choose to fight for equality and fight for an end to these oppressive religious beliefs that are imposed upon “sinners”. You tell me how a loving god can condemn such a beautiful same-sex couple as this one and why anyone would want to vote against their rights to be married and have a family. This couple has adopted 12 children and given them more love than their condemning christian culture. Who cares that they don’t have sex the heterosexual way. Why does that even matter!
If you want to do more research on beliefs of Ken Ham and AIG here are links (imagine that) to learn for yourself:
God’s Not Clear on Homosexuality-Feedback
Hijacking the Bus-Homosexuality Scripture
Homosexuality Scripture Authority-Feedback
|Straight from the AIG website: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab2/christian-respond-gay-marriage|